1- Danni Boatwright (Sorry Bitch is the best player ever, sit down)
2- Kim Spradlin (No one controlled a season like this biznitch, holy shit, all praise our lord and savior, the boring game bot Kim Spradlin)
3- Natalie White- Fucking Vicious Bitch, best UTR player of all time and used Russell like her bitch, another highly underrated player
4- Sandra- You can't win2x and deny her. She may have had luck and a bitter jury, but omg the pure idiocy that she mindfucked people into keeping her longer is so halrious.. she never shold have made it to the end, and people always ignored her obvious win and took her anyway
5-Todd Herzong- Great Player, Great winner nuff' said
manalord
Kim
Sandra
Todd, I agree with to be fair I haven't seen gutamala since it first came out so maybe I would feel different if I saw it again. Natalie to me is prob top 20.
Personally I replace those two with Brian and tony based on their pure dominance with parv prob at 6th due to almost winning twice.
I agree on 3/5. The 2 I don't are Natalie W and Todd. Todd I look at as similar to Tony by saying he played too paranoid of a game and got help from a great ally to be considered in the same mix as Danni, Kim and Sandra. As for Natalie, I just don't find her win as great as others. She gets a little too much credit from hardcore fans sometimes for me to consider her top 5 ever. I think the main thing holding me back on her is that the jury was very close to voting Mick and seemed more anti-Russell than pro-Natalie.
I did an all-time great list a while ago and I stand by the order I put the top 5 in. The 2 I would have in there as well are Brian Heidik and Richard Hatch. Hatch because he wrote the playbook and really figured out how to play the game before anybody else. I can understand not putting him in though because it really depends on how highly you value him being the original. But I think Brian is a must for any top 5 list. He won the game in about as dominant of a fashion as you can. Controlled everyone on his tribe, was a public alpha male who still kept the target off him, convinced Jan to vote out her best ally Helen and picked the perfect person to take to the finals in Clay.
I was reading back on that list I made and re-read a lot of Danni hate comments making my top 5. Still never understood that tbh. Oh well. Anyway solid list overall with interesting names up there.
aiwfwyattroh I can respect your opnions and im glad you at least admit Natalie is still in the top 20 of all time. My ONLY issue with Brian/Tony is there social game is petty bad, however I never really got into watching Thailiand, and personally don't like him so that may bias me a bit.
Tony I think gets a lot of positive from Recensy Bias, which is startig to fade. He made a lot of good moves but that shit wouldnt fly on most seasons. Its not a fair mark down on but I do feel like some people had a little more easy and grace to there wins/near wins and also would still have a shot at winning a future season which Tony does not in the near future. Brian could ONLY because hes pretty irrlevent in the commuinty of Survivor players.
I do recommend watching Guatemala again if you have time. Danni's edit is a lot like Natalie's however so its hard to tell if your not really observent, but as you agree with Sandra and still would rank Natalie high clearly you are.
Yankeeman311 I have NO intreset in going for round maybe 20 in this Natalie debate we have had a million times lol. She is either seen as amazing or sub-par and I fee like it totally is a matter of opnion.
I personally feel the social/jury mangement as well as chance to win a future season are extermly important things to consider here and Brian sadly does not stand up to other great stratgeic minds who may not have been as dominat in there own seasons, but that was more due to a cast that could keep up with them, then a lack of being stratgeic.
For example, Id say that somone like Cochran was about as dominat as Brian, but you would never rank Cochran above Brian, however someone like Rob C. was just as stratgeic as Brian, but he has not been as sucessful because the casts he has played with where slightly more stratgeic.
That's what makes these lists hard is because there is so many factors to consider, and at the end of the day they are just opnion.
I do agree Richard Hatch should be a top 10, but idk about top 5.
Am I the only one who would rank Natalie A ahead of Tony when it comes to winners? Personally coming from someone who has a bias towards alpha males sometimes, I found Tony's game too flawed to be considered a top 5 player ever. He's honestly only in my middle of the pack winners whereas Natalie is borderline top 10 for me or is at least in the discussion. I feel like she made less mistakes and made more moves at the right time. The only time she was ever truly in the dark was Jeremy's vote-off and she recovered from that spectacularly.
manalord seperate seasons shouldnt count towards how well someone did in the season they won
kim could come back and get last but it wouldnt mean she sucks at strategy
@aiwfyattroh Tony's challengers were harder, I'll give you that. Spencer and Tasha could very well be 2 of the best non-winners in survivor history. But here's my argument against Tony for not being up with the elite names. In the merge ep, he tries to go after Sarah as an ally. He keeps doing this and if Trish doesn't bail him out with Kass, he very well may lose his alliance which he needed to get to the end. Also, a common penalty against Yul is his overpowered idol. Why does Tony not get this same penalty when it was arguably worse than Yul because he got it at a later time along with a regular HII? If he doesn't have those, he's out at final 6. He also nearly lost Jefra to flip with Spencer but Trish cleaned that up for him too. Also he got insanely lucky Woo chose to take him to the finals over the goat Kass.
I guess my point is I don't feel like he had as clean of a game compared to other winners so maybe flawed is the wrong word since he did win in the end. I just think he has 2 major penalties that I put on 2 other winners in Yul and Todd outside my top 10 with the overpowered idol and extreme paranoia with a reliable ally. Not to mention he didn't have as good of a FTC as Todd.
It's not luck that woo took him it's skill. He was never leaving at final 6 idol or not, his little arum wasn't leaving. For the idol I usually don't discredit anybody for idols since it's part of the game they signed up for I suppose if I had to argue that point it's that he never told them the actual powers thus in there minds still could of been flushed out. Obv that wouldn't of work but if they wanted to get rid of him the could of used that. His FTC performance wasn't as good as Todd's I'll give you that but I have Todd in my top 5 also so that's not rly a issue for me. Who won near unamouisly.
1- Danni Boatwright (Sorry Bitch is the best player ever, sit down)
Hmmph.