When people say "I can't respect your gameplay if you're just a flavor in stars and keep going up"
Like, maybe it's just cause I won stars by making vlogs and going up 320934 times, but I don't see how a flavor gameplay is less strategical than somebody who only goes up once. Sometimes, you literally CANNOT CHANGE people's minds and there's nothing you can do about that.
Being able to go up 4324 times and staying is HUGE, think how much nervewrecking it is than just sitting quietly in the game and never going up. The flavor has to plan whether they're gonna go out or not go out. They don't know how they're playing the game if they're on the verge of getting voted out anyway.
PLUS PEOPLE TEND TO FORGET that stars is PUBLIC game. Therefore, you WANT to be appealing to the public, which is hard for some people. You gotta know what people wanna see, what people wanna hear. YOU GOTTA BE SMART.
I was a very hated person on this site and I somehow won the game as a flavor...like wut? But I knew how to make vlogs that would make you laugh and want to save me. And it worked!
A lot of strategy goes into being a flavor, because you gotta keep that flavor status. And if you don't notice the strategy and still saving them, then they're doing a damn good job at working YOU to keep saving them.
/endrant.
RESPECT ME I WON STARS ONCE TOO. AND PEOPLE ASK ME TO WRITE THEIR SPEECHES ALL THE TIME.
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Understood..Ive been a flavor 3 times... 2 times making finals, and once got crushed for 5th by thethomas
depends the vlogs they post and their social game I guess, I mean I'd save a flavour with a funny vlog over and unnommed person till that point any day, but I certainly wouldn't save a flavour who just posted blogs over someone unnommed, but I'd vote based on how I know them if they went up with someone random.
I agree that sometimes people who end up flavours are by no fault of their own and behind the scenes they are actually trying to change the nom sets etc and if you cant you have to then play a very public game (I faced both those issues in the recent stars i won)
However there are some people who just sit back and do nothing, it is quite hard to tell sometimes.
Incidentally i won once unnominated and once as a flavour. I think I probably played harder when i was a flavour tbh, constantly trying to change nom sets and generally failing to! lol
knixuk exactly. I think you work 10 times harder when you're a flavor because once you're a flavor people refuse to actually work with you and then you gotta try and change noms AND IT'S REALLY FUCKING HARD when people just want you up anyway.
I've been a flavor twice out of the 6 games that I've played. It really is difficult, especially when you feel like your back is against the wall and no one will listen to reason for whatever reason. 9 times out of 10 I save the flavor, because I know how hard it is to be one.
I respect when people TRY to play and make a great effort each and everyday to stay off the block... but the cast just noms them everytime.
But I don't respect when people give up after a second nomination and barely attempt to stay off the block going forward.
The flavor strategy is a viable strategy... it's a very good backup plan. But flaunting your bod isn't much of a *game move* imho, especially when you aren't doing much to stay off the block. I was in a worse position than gaia was when he first went up, but I still managed to climb the social ladder of this stars. And most of all... his vlogs are like 2 minutes long and it's the same thing each time... @_@. How can you claim that's so hard to do?
But really, considering poll boxes are subjective, there is no wrong answer =p. If you played the game in a way that doesn't please a specific person voting, you don't deserve their vote. *obviously my opinion doesn't matter in this because I can't vote but others may agree w/ it* snoofle
jamesM
You can't be mad at somebody for working what they have... Gai has a hot body, so obviously if that's going to let him win the game, you should blame the people voting and not him. You can play stars many different ways and just because you don't have the assets to play a certain way, doesn't mean you can't respect them.
You gotta get creative with stars if you really want to win, and I think creativity beats strategy any day.
Just look at Dexter Koh from BBUK! He literally went up every single fucking week he could and he was saved again and again by the public. He ended up making finals but got second because he was up against a hot welsh deaf guy. #KingDexter#QueenGina#PrinceChris#QueenAlexandra (come back!)
I agree you snoofle
Since I know from personal experience, that being a flavor, is way harder them making finals unnominated or making it far unnominated.
my only problem is when flavors, who do not do anything game-wise, put in their speech "I tried so hard in this game".. No you did not, you were just flavored. Only if there is a tight premade that will for sure not change their minds is when it is understandable.
I agree with you though nonetheless, because appealing to the public to survive polls is a strategy itself. I just never understood the concept of going up over and over again and JUST by that, you get support (not talking about making vlogs and stuff like that). Just because someone keeps going up doesnt mean i am going to start supporting them, but thats just me.
But hell, I can't lie, I used a shirtless picture of myself in stars 207.. and maybe thats how I won? sorry jamesMmilkisgood @sdriver99 @yswimmer99 ... love you all!
I was in the game knixuk won... And the reason I flavored him was because he was the only one who knew the type of game I was playing... I was scared and I respect his win as a flavor
There's a difference in the stars I'm in right now... There is a difference in flavors... Sometimes a flavor deserves the game because they tried hard and it never worked... And other times they don't know what the fuck they are doing and they get themselves nommed 3 times in a row
But this blog is the nail to my coffin although I don't think I deserved it
again, I think it's entirely subjective. It's not how I want to see people win. If you like creativity that is grand for you, but I personally would've vote that way.
yep i agree
my dream is to be a flavor and win but the problem is i always survive twice and then get evicted my 3rd time up
going unnommed and winning has no appeal to me (although it's not like that would ever happen in a million years anyway). i mean idc and it's fine that most people prefer to vote based on strategy but i hate the annoying fucks who bash flavors like they're autistic or something. like hey do you realize in actual BBUK which stars is BASED on, the whole point is to be as entertaining as possible and play the public????????////////// you can't even discuss noms in BBUK lol i wish real stars was like that although that can't be enforced anyway
I have been a flavor each time I played. The first time I tried the game strategy method and that backfired on me. After the first game I decided I would only talk to a person on call in a skype conversion one on one. The second time I played no one would talk to me until they were forced to at the end of the game. I thought you played a good game in your Stars game and that is the reason I voted for you to win in that game.
I totally agree, when I was in my last stars I was nominated 4 times, they basically made me a flavour and I worked my ass off in that game, when you can't get people to change their minds, it's so nerve wracking when you do go up.
"Being able to go up 4324 times and staying is HUGE, think how much nervewrecking it is than just sitting quietly in the game and never going up. The flavor has to plan whether they're gonna go out or not go out. They don't know how they're playing the game if they're on the verge of getting voted out anyway."
None of this makes sense. Literally none of it. Yes it's nerve wracking being on the block that much and having to worry about surviving and getting votes, but it is just as nerve wracking to actually be playing a game where you are avoiding the block and doing your best to stay safe because you don't have public support. I'm not saying flavors don't have gameplay, but how does that second sentence make ANY sense?
"The flavor has to plan whether they're gonna go out or not go out". So the flavor has to have a plan... And that makes it harder for the flavor to play? How? It's literally the same thing, if not more difficult, from the other side. If you are a flavor and have the safety net of public support, and #lezbehonest, most flavors tend to not give a shit once they've BEEN flavored whether they go up or not, then you probably won't care much who you nominate if it's not even going to work at that point. Whereas if you're one of the few who has avoided the block, the target on your back is gigantic, and every nomination is crucial and it's imperative to know who will and won't survive, so you have to have several plans in order? That's difficult.
And your third sentence doesn't make much sense either. That paragraph is just beyond me. There are great gameplayers who have been flavored by other people, both as a means to downplay their gameplay, and in an effort for other gameplayers to stay off the block. And there are some flavors who literally just do nothing. But you will never be able to convince me that being a flavor is harder work than staying off the block. Yes, it's frustrating, yes, it's difficult, but it's nowhere near as strategic. Some people do play just as hard, for sure, but we're talking a very small percentage of all flavors. And even then it doesn't require more "strategy" than staying off the block.
It's just two different types of games, really. One is not more wrong than the other, playing to the public or playing the game itself, but people respect different divisions of the game. There are those of us that typically vote one gameplay, and those of us that typically vote by saying "_____ was a flavor and worked way harder than everyone else cause they survived 6 times, the others in finals never even had to try because they never went up, so I'm voting for _____ flavor." ... One of those two groups of voters usually consists of white levels who have never played the game, so I'll let ya'll figure out which group that is.
Agreed! I've gotten 2nd as a flavor and 2nd as a game player imo and the 2nd place flavor game was a lot harder for me because I had to keep trying to save myself (although it failed) where as the gameplayer game there were days I wasn't a counter so I really didn't have to worry and things were going my way a good chunk of the game
Another reason the flavor game was so hard was because I was working with mindless sheep makethemdieslowly and tygrysek who I warned both times that they were being played and they both didn't believe me and then they got 4th and 5th and I was like LOOOOOOOOOL sheep will be sheep!
I've been in both situations also, and being flavourised is so draining... you feel like you are fighting and fighting to get people to work with you when ultimately you know it won't happen because they have decided you have to be evicted no matter what and they just view as dispensable.
And aswel as fighting to get people to want to be your ally, you are fighting to get support, and to also make the public believe that you are trying. Whereas being the "gameplayer" you only need to concern yourself with the people in the game, until the end.
I completely see where you are coming from, it's not easy to gain support on this site these days!
exactly what bluestar said. although i've never been a true flavor because i always get evicted, but i've been 'built' up to be one before and taken out by the player who ends up being the eventual flavor. being a flavor is awful and soooo tiring.
i've played stars unnommed till f4, it was pretty easy and not too stressful. i was barely a counter.
i've played stars and created a flavor, lucinda - and it was semi-stressful but moreso fun.
the last two stars i had to worry about being a flavor or going up with a flavor, and literally no one wanted to work with me. allies were far and few between and it was just so incredibly difficult XD
yeah. hi snoofle, don't listen to ryan. you're amazing.
again tits_mcgee, looks like you're the only one that doesnt get this blog :P Didn't really feel like reading your wall of text considering youre the only one complaining about not getting it SOOO
