Those of you who are against gay marriage, that is totally fine. There is nothing wrong with having that stance. You are not being a bigot or being ignorant.
Those of you who are gay and are calling everyone who does not agree with gay marriage narrow-minded and ignorant need to stop. Because you are being exactly what you are accusing them of being. Everyone has their own values and opinions. And to dismiss them as being ignorant is ignorance itself.
playboyy you are huge offender of this. Obviously you think you are entitled to everything. Every gay person is going to agree that they should have the same rights. Not everyone feels this way though. To you it may seem unfair and ignorant, but you are being ignorant for dismissing the other side. And also saying this "You're disgusting both personality and aesthetically wise and you really need to get your head out of your own ass" to someone just because you don't like their stance on gay rights is completely rude and I think you need a reality check if you think it's okay to talk to someone like this.
Edit: In no way am I implying that I am against gay people. I am simply stating my disgust at how some gay people think it is alright to belittle and depreciate the values and beliefs of others.
Edit: All of you saying that you are being stripped of a civil right. Technically you aren't. You can find someone of the opposite gender and marry them. So you can marry. (obviously I know this will get hate lol) omg honestly this one was a joke.
Edit: Also, this blog is getting blown way out of proportion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and you can't change that, so all you gay rights activists need to calm your tits.
Edit: And, just because someone might think that gay people should not be allowed to marry does not mean that they hate gay people.
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If this gets negged, it just proves your point. :)
treating people like second class citizens IS a bad opinion so people don't have the same reaction when people say there shouldn't be interracial marriage.
That's very true. If someone was raised and taught in a Christian home with Christian morals and they were surrounded their entire lives by a certain belief system, who are we to fault them for what they think?
You don't have to agree with it, but there's reason behind it and it's hypocritical to call them out for believing in something just because it differs from your opinions.
Uh no, no it's not. The reason african-americans couldnt get any rights at first was because they were different to the white men in power. Similarly women couldnt get rights until 1910's. So why does being gay not allow them to be married. And if the reason is religion, because then it's fucking stupid. Why do I have to please YOUR deity that I don't believe in? Selfish pricks.
oh my god, the REASON gay people aren't allowed to be married is because people's ignorant religious beliefs and don't care about the homosexuals. To excuse that is disgusting.
Ok highnoon thanks for helping my point. I didn't take a side on the stance. I was pointing out that gay people attack anyone that goes against what they believe they are entitled too.
HighNoon Well marriage is ultimately a religious bind. I agree that gay couples should be able to get married, but you have to understand why it would upset religious individuals and groups.
HighNoon In the end, it's still a religious based tie between two people. You can't get upset over these people believing something that has been instilled in their culture and religion since it was formed.
+13 because, even if others may not agree with your opinion, it's YOUR opinion and calling someone close-minded or saying it's the wrong opinion is hypocritical. Nice blog (y)
Lol no, like please stop while you're ahead. I didn't bother to read since you're outwardly supporting ignorance and oppression masked nicely in religion. Anyone can have their own opinion about anything, but if that opinion causes harm to someone else - like the opinions of Christians constantly strip people who are different than them of their basic rights, such as marriage. Genesis should be embarrassed to of blogged that and even more embarrassed that she's brainwashed by a religion that scrutinizes and puts down anyone who's different.
^^ I would very much of liked to write a more eloquent response properly making an argument but I'm at work on my phone soooo, yeah.
Basic jist of it is there is no justifying being ignorant - doesn't matter what the bible says. It's 2013 and it's time to forget about these ass backwards beliefs that no longer work in a modern world.
You found my comment to her offensive? Guess what, I found "You can change the law, but not gods law." Especially in the eve of a major civil rights win battle for the LGBT community.
What's scary is that her "opinion" (bigotry) is defended because it's about a gay civil rights issue. I wonder if blacks weren't allowed to marry and shed made a blog in a similar fashion if you'd still be backing her up.
Lol so I'm just now reading the comments.
Saying that - "highnoon same-sex marriage and interracial marriage are two completely different things.
Sent by jag0827,Jul 8, 2013".
How are they different? At the end of the day it's just people getting married, no? Enlighten me please.
Also Seal, nobody told Christians to be ignorant - so the fact that the fact that people are homosexual and deserve the right to marry offends religious group is a personal problem. That's what happens when people are ignorant and narrow minded, they get offended or scared of something they don't understand and begin a witch hunt.
So you're saying that, because I'm gay, I don't deserve the same rights as you? I completely disagree with that, because, as a citizen as a United States, we should all be considered equal under the law, and I believe that includes marriage.
Playboyy Like I said, I don't agree with it at all, but I think it's important to understand both sides.
You might've grown up gay which would obviously support your side, but these people grew up with an age old belief code set in stone and hammered in by family and church.
If you look at it like that, both sides have the same reason to believe in what they believe, just on opposite sides of the spectrum. Some day, even most Christians will look back upon their people's beliefs on homosexuality and be like "wtf" just like most modern day white people when looking back at racial segregation. But until that point is reached, I think it's only out of common courtesy and respect that you understand where they're coming from.
Did I say anything about being against gay marriage? I am just pissed off with gay people thinking its alright to belittle others beliefs just because they don't agree.
If that's how you want to see it than so be it, at the end of the day I can sleep comfortably knowing that my views and opinions don't negatively affect anyone's lives - unlike the views and opinions of my oppressors which strip people of their basic rights.
At the end of the day it's not just an issue of "marriage", because the issue resonates and affect many other things.
IE : My partner and I have been together for 30 years. He does and because we are not married I can't see him at the hospital, collect life insurance, I lose my house, and his family can refuse me the right to go to the funeral...why? Because of people with views like you're defending.
This happens to a lot of people and there are a hundred more things related to this marriage issue that you're not even thinking about.
I'm so saddened by this blog actually and by some of the comments, so sad. Our generation is so caught up in trying to be politically correct that we won't stand up against things that are wrong in fear of offending someone that we won't stand up against things that are just plain wrong.
Tell that to the countless gay men that have lost their adopted children, homes and hospital visitation right.
Or maybe you should tell that to the men that didn't even get to attend their "husbands" funeral.
You know HighNoon, gay couples have a thing called domestic partnerships, it gives them the same benefits as a straight married couple, and also most gays are atheist and Marriage is a biblical term, so u better start thinking about that. But where I come from, no one cares, I'm sorry that u live in a society where gays are somehow "Second Class"
Also Playboyy, if gays lost their houses and stuff because of their partners death or something, then that's they're fault, they could've done a will and given everything to their partner if they die in some accident or natural cause. And also the gays are allowed to sue in court if they don't get to see there partner at the funeral. Also there is always moving, the couple could move to a community where they're accepted and everything will be leveled for them with other couples
A Domestic Partnership isn't a legal thing. It just means 2 people are in a relationship and living together. Nothing else. So a straight couple living together is also called a domestic partnership.
It'd be easier to tell you which states do provide the same rights to same-sex couples in a civil union as their heterosexual counterparts.
Jurisdictions in the U.S. that offer civil unions or domestic partnerships granting nearly all of the state-recognized rights of marriage to same-sex couples include:
Domestic partnership in California (2000 – expanded over time)
Civil union in Delaware (2012)
Domestic partnership in the District of Columbia (1992 law implemented, 2002 became effective – expanded over time)
Civil union in Hawaii (2012)
Civil union in Illinois (2011)
Domestic partnership in Nevada (2009)
Civil union in New Jersey (2007)
Domestic partnership in Oregon (2008)
Civil union in Rhode Island (2011)
Domestic partnership in Washington (2007 – expanded over time)
Okay I see ur point Playboyy
But also about the whole California thing, the people voted twice on the Gay Marriage Bill, TWICE, and since they done that in the court it doesn't really sound like Power to the People doesn't it? Because only officials get to vote this time
Uh no, no it's not. The reason african-americans couldnt get any rights at first was because they were different to the white men in power. Similarly women couldnt get rights until 1910's. So why does being gay not allow them to be married. And if the reason is religion, because then it's fucking stupid. Why do I have to please YOUR deity that I don't believe in? Selfish pricks.
Sent by HighNoon,Jul 8, 2013
I'm a Christian, but what tayvie is saying is true here IMO. Although I grew up in church and have always been religious, I don't think it's right to deny other American citizens the basic rights that everyone under law should have. People that aren't religious get married, but yet the Bible says they're going to hell for not believing. "Mall thou not lay with another man" (or something along those lines), and assumed according to the bible, they're going to hell as well, and that's no one elses business but their own and whatever they believe in.
Basically if it's based on religion, people who are atheist shouldn't be able to get married either, or everyone that's a US citizen and has basic rights should be allowed to get married. It should be similar to job opportunities and shit, "we do not discriminate based on race, sex, sexual orientation, disability..." etc, etc, etc.
My cousin Maryann is a lesbian and she doesn't believe that she is entitled to the same rights as straight couples. I know it sounds kind of weird, because I support gay rights. I am half lesbian afterall. Anyway, she's been with her gf for like, idk, 10 years, and it's legal in Maine to get married now, and she won't marry her, but she does use her last name. She's weird I guess. LOL
jag0827 I understand you're point here but people who have different beliefs always shun gays ans treat them terribly and even PROTEST for gay-marriage not to happen. If someone did that to me I wouldn't sit there and let them disrespectfully show their opinions and beliefs right in our faces. I'm not gay but I've seen how people don't just have an opinion they take it too far as to Protest even for it not to happen.
He may be opinionated but at least hes not supporting the denial of basic human rights.
Sent by Foxox,Jul 9, 2013
I'm sorry but I find it hard to believe that doesn't believe in homosexuality is open-minded. Typically the only reason people are against homosexuals is because they are ignorant to what it means to be a homosexual or they are so far in the closet themselves, they justify their decision to remain in the closet through homophobia.
Some people claim that homosexuality is unnatural and against nature, however there is scientific evidence and proof that homosexuality is prevalent among animals, including 25% of black swans.
Another big reason is religion, which in my opinion is a valid reason to be against homosexuals and homosexuality in general, oh wait, it's only acceptable if you also don't eat ham, have never gotten a tattoo, never cursed your parents, had pre-marital sex, have gotten remarried after a divorce, and even things has silly has having gotten a rounded haircut (rounding out the edges of your beard or the hair on your head) and eating shellfish, lobster, shrimp - pretty much any type of seafood.
So basically if you are against homosexuality you have to be against those things as well, and let's be real you probably aren't.
So if you are a homophobic or against gay's and gay rights - you probably are ignorant and narrow minded :)
I'm just going to ask you a question. Can you please explain to me, HOW is it NOT bigot, ignorant and narrow-minded, to think that a specific group of people in society should not have the same rights as everyone else, and that they should not be equal to the rest of society?
Once you've gave me a valid answer to this, I will 100% agree with your blog. But until then, I will gladly keep thinking that ignorant people are ignorant. :)
I can't wait to see anyone try to actually answer this.
PS: You said: "I am simply stating my disgust at how some gay people think it is alright to belittle and depreciate the values and beliefs of others."
NEWS FLASH: It's not JUST gay people who are fight for gay rights, there are a lot of straight/bi people as well fighting for gays to have the same rights as them. So instead of singling out gays with that comment, you could've simply said "some people", instead of "some gay people". Just saying.
"kay. A few things.
1. Because of separation of church and state, marriage is NOT only a religious law, but a federal law. BECAUSE it's now a divided state of being. Religion gave up its right to marriage when it let it go into government law, this is why two atheists/Buddhists/Muslims can get married, because you don't have to go to a church.
2. The Deceleration of Independence stating that all Americans have the right to "The Pursuit of Happiness" which basically means a person is allowed to commit actions that don't infringe on somebody else's happiness. A gay person getting married does NOT effect a straight person at all.
So, if marriage has two different identities, religious AND federal, religion should not even be involved with the gay marriage question. And because of the Declaration of Independence and Pursuit of Happiness, Religion should not be able to stop gay marriage, but on the flip side, a religion does NOT have to validate a gay marriage if it goes against their beliefs.
So what I get from this is you're saying that it's okay for people to say that not everybody should have the same rights and be equals? shut the fuck up.
Here's the thing. I still think we can call them narrow minded if they're against gay people. Regardless of their beliefs, they are hating somebody for something they cant control. If we start to attack their looks and other aspects of them, then it is wrong. But I feel we can still say somebody is narrow minded for holding views that are clearly moronic.
Gay marriage is a human right, not a privileged. Anyone who disagrees with it because of their religious beliefs is close minded, sorry. Also, how do gay people getting married affect straight couples? Honestly, please tell me why it's an issue if it doesn't affect YOUR life.
I am a gay person, myself, NOT to be associated with the ones on this blog. I have a wide acceptance for religion and its beliefs. Personally, I feel as if you do not approve of gay marriage due to your religious upbringing, that's perfectly fine and respectable. I can respect your opinion. I do not feel as if you are a narrow-minded person. I do feel as if you are narrow-minded if you do not approve of gay marriage for own personal sadistic reason. I feel as if gays and their fight for marital acceptance should be respected. Not respecting something, and not approving of something are two completely different things.
Before I get called an abomination of the LGBT community or something like that, didn't some of you learn in elementary school that FACTS are right and wrong, NOT opinions? Some of you on here truly disgust me that you could even tell someone that they have a wrong opinion.
I never get involved in anyone else's drama, but tbh I agree with the first half of this, though I know nothing about the last half. I'm gay, but I was raised in the church as a Christian. I don't believe it's closed minded AT ALL for any group of people not to agree with something. Not agreeing and going out of your way to prevent gay marriage from happening are two different things. I know many gay people that don't agree with having the same rights as straight couples, and I know many straight Christians that do agree with gay marriage. It's a very grey area between separation of church and state for a lot of people. Bottom line is, if you don't have a part in both sides (being gay and being raised in the church), it can be hard to fully grasp the other's side. It is very narrow minded of Christians to hate gay people (which, most actually don't, or at least shouldn't. "hate the sin, not the sinner." To Christians, acting on homosexuality is the sin in the Bible, not being gay, but so is sex before marriage for anyone, straight included), and it's very closed minded for gays to persecute Christians for how they were raised and taught to believe. There will always be extremes of both sides, but these extremes need to become more willing in understanding the other if there a resolve is to be made here.
HOLY JEEZ. THIS BLOG WAS NOT ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE BEING LEGALIZED SO YOU ALL NEED TO STFU. THIS WAS ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO CONSTANTLY FEEL THE NEED TO TELL SOMEONE THEIR OPINION IS WRONG. ALL OF YOU TRYING TO BELITTLE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A CLEAR OPINION ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE ARE JUST PROVING JAG'S POINT. STOP BASHING AND START LOVING
People really need to get the hell over each other and realize not everyone agrees with them. Everyone has a different opinion, the sooner people understand that the sooner this drama can stop.
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
People have opinions and just because every single one doesn't line up with yours, does not mean there is a definite wrong and right. Only in your opinion ;)
Edit: All of you saying that you are being stripped of a civil right. Technically you aren't. You can find someone of the opposite gender and marry them. So you can marry.
jag0827 are you joking right now? Why would a gay man who is physically, mentally, and emotionally attracted to men marry a woman? It's a civil right to marry someone we choose, as long as they're mentally and emotionally fit.
I'm sorry but this blog just makes me really mad jag. Especially where you've put things like "You can find someone of the opposite gender and marry them." like you're acting like an asshole now and you know it.
You're the one spreading negative opinions now. I know you wont, but I think you should honestly delete this blog. All you've done is cause trouble and just let the negative energy flow. You probably wont see it, but the things you say are actually really hurtful.
"If that's how you want to see it than so be it, at the end of the day I can sleep comfortably knowing that my views and opinions don't negatively affect anyone's lives - unlike the views and opinions of my oppressors which strip people of their basic rights.
At the end of the day it's not just an issue of "marriage", because the issue resonates and affect many other things.
IE : My partner and I have been together for 30 years. He does and because we are not married I can't see him at the hospital, collect life insurance, I lose my house, and his family can refuse me the right to go to the funeral...why? Because of people with views like you're defending.
This happens to a lot of people and there are a hundred more things related to this marriage issue that you're not even thinking about.
I'm so saddened by this blog actually and by some of the comments, so sad. Our generation is so caught up in trying to be politically correct that we won't stand up against things that are wrong in fear of offending someone that we won't stand up against things that are just plain wrong.
Sent by Playboyy,Jul 8, 2013"
In regards to this, there are multiple ways to get the same rights without actually being married. Regardless, I do agree with you that it is stupid and gays should be able to get married and have the same rights as heterosexual married couples, but all I've been arguing this whole time is that you have to understand both sides. Deep religious rooted people will often think that way.
I know some incredibly smart Christians that love the gays, I know some incredibly smart Christians that don't agree with gay marriage, but are still fine with gay people in general. I know some less intelligent Christians that would like to approve gay marriage, as well as some who wouldn't.
Ultimately, it's not all Christians, nor is it only Christians, but people get their viewpoints from different places and always have reasons to believe in what they believe, whether it's because of their family, religion, experiences, etc. Don't agree with their beliefs, don't even respect them if you don't want to, but the least you could do is refrain from calling them stupid, because you don't know their past or where/how they grew up.
Edit: All of you saying that you are being stripped of a civil right. Technically you aren't. You can find someone of the opposite gender and marry them. So you can marry.
change that to:
Edit: All of you saying that you are being stripped of a civil right. Technically you aren't. You can find someone of the same ethnicity and marry them. So you can marry.
Would you ever say that to an interracial couple? Telling somebody that they HAVE to marry somebody of the opposite sex or they can't get married is no different than telling somebody that they HAVE to marry somebody of the same ethnicity or they can't get married.
I kind of disagree
It honestly annoys me when people say "MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!11111"
No, Marriage is between two people who love eachother.
+9
The first two paragraphs make a great deal of sense to me. This site runs on hypocrisy.
I think the purpose behind this blog has been overlooked and ignored but oh well. People should be able to have/voice their opinions on something as long as they aren't offending anybody in the process.
jag0827 There are some things where having a different opinion is valid, such as economic issues. There are two perfectly valid sides to arguments revolving around issues like that. But with something like gay marriage, there is NO valid argument against it. There is a separation of Church and State so that argument is out the window. People like to hide their bigotry behind religion, but even if that was moral, it doesn't matter because we do not live in a country where religion has an affect on the government. How would you feel if SHaria Law started to be enforced in America? You'd be pissed off because no religious laws should have any precedence over basic civil rights. And please don't use the argument that "gays can still marry!", you sound like Michelle Bachmann.
I think that you have to understand that when a gay person or a supporter of gay marriage calls a person who opposes it "stupid" it is because it is really frustrating, hurtful, and offensive so have somebody tell you that you shouldn't be able to get married. When somebody says that, they are flat out saying that gay people are not as good as them. There is no denying this. What I will say however is that it's not fair to hate the majority of people who are against it, but it's more appropriate to feel sorry for them. They are ignorant. There is no way of denying this, but it doesn't necessarily make them a bad person, as it's not their fault that they grew up in whatever negative environment that they did. If somebody has lives in a religious area and has never met a gay person then they are probably not going to be prone to support gay marriage.
I disagree with this blog because I don't feel like it's ok to say that gay people/allies are 'belittling' people who oppose marriage equality. We are not telling them that they aren't equal, they are doing that to us. While I don't think it's fair to HATE people for opposing it, I don't think that we should be saying that it is ok either. If we continue to accept it as an ok thing to think, things won't change.
i agree with what @playyboyy said to some extent
when people's opinions hurt other people, there's something wrong.
I can understand what you're saying, jag, but it'll be hard to hear because most people on this site have a very strong one-sided opinion on the subject. Let me see if I've interpreted it correctly: us not being able to even understand why the other side thinks the way they do is kind of close-minded. If that's what you're saying, I agree
+11
I actually completely agree with this blog.
As long as the person isn't being hateful in their disagreement, for example, West B something Church, they clearly do disagree with gay marriage but do some in a way where they attempt to harm and hurt people who do agree, that I have a problem with.
If someone simply disagrees and leaves it at that then I'm fine with it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Seal "there are multiple ways to get the same rights without actually being married." Nope. There are over a thousand federal benefits that are exclusive to married couples in the United States, which means that if you live in a state where gays can't get married.. sucks for you!
And of course, marriage itself IS a right to which all humans are entitled according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Being denied the right to marry is inherently being deprived of your rights. ^_^
I say just let people live their lives as they see fit and not by the opinions and viewpoints of others. We should just simply respect the fact that we can not all agree on everything, but one thing that we should agree on is that everyone deserves respect regardless of gender, race, sexuality etc...
I just think rather than calling it marriage, make a different ceremony.. Because people value marriage, for century upon century marriage has been between a man or a woman, and now people think they can change it? That's what annoys me.
I'm a bisexual male.....
And i don't remember anyone ever promising me that i would be treated equal. But just because im not treated equal doesn't mean im not equal.
At the end of the day the only thing i am promised is my beliefs. And if i use my experiences and work hard enough i have the opportunity to have whatever i want. You don't get that right everywhere....... so who am i to tell someone else they aren't allowed to believe in something differently then me?
What jag0827 is saying is that if you expect the right to fight for your rights, then don't expect anyone else not to have the right to tell you they disagree. Hes not defending hate crimes or anti-gay beliefs.... He's just saying that everyone is entitled to their beleifs.
Even though im dating another guy.... I wouldn't tell anyone that they have to think its ok because at the end of the day i chose to do something that i knew was gonna cause disagreement. I didn't choose to be bi, but i chose to defend my beliefs. The same way others choose to defend theirs.
playboyy highnoon
@porschefan seal
and everyone else on this blog.
your all entitled to you opinions...... but don't try and take that entitlement away from anyone.
(the people i posted aren't people im calling out, they are people whos arguments stood out to me. I think some of you are great and others i disagree with, but still respect their opinions.)
Lynette Same-sex marriage is nothing new historically speaking. In the US it is but it was totally around in tonnnns of ancient cultures. The first same-sex marriages were performed long, long, long before 2001.
burkett8975 Your government promises you that you'll be treated equal and specifically that you'll have the right to marry. Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Everyone's signed it. So you have been promised that you'll be treated equal! You have because you're a human being on this Earth! Governments just suck at the whole 'keeping promises' thing.
Anyways, there is a fundamental difference between someone thinking "Burkett8975's gay relationship is wrong" and "Because burkett8975's gay relationship is one that I think is wrong, he should not be given the same rights that everybody else has."
I'm going to try to remain civil. Sincere apologies if you feel I get a little nasty.
Might jump around, addressing points as I think of them.
I'm going to start by defending jag. Many people in gay culture go a little overboard. (Granted shit like Westboro baptist church can do that to some people but...)
This doesn't mean we should resort to the same tactics as those against us. Yes there are bigots that disagree with gay marriage. But there are also plenty of people who have thought about the matter deeply and end up disagreeing with us after thought. That doesn't make them a bigot.
That being said, jag in my personal opinion has not thought a lot about this as shown by his "you can always marry a straight person" argument. This is Michelle Bachmann level of batshit crazy. I've legitimately heard her say crazy shit like that in person. Any self respecting social conservative can at least agree that the logic there is flawed.
I agree with Seal's first comment and most of his second comment and third comment.
I'm no fool and I have to admit marriage has it's roots in religion. It was formed in religion and popularized through religion. I understand ol' man Jenkins and his twenty kids (kidding ffs) believing Jesus dont want no gays to be married (again kidding).
However there are plenty of homosexuals and heterosexuals that are married outside of a church. And there are plenty of churchs that would allow gays to marry in the house of THEIR specific lord @_@. Yes marriage historically is connected to religion but times are changing. That's not the absolute case for heterosexuals and wouldn't be the absolute case for homosexuals.
It is NOT a definitive RELIGIOUS based tie is all I'd like to clarify. Do many social conservatives forget that or believe it should strictly be religious? yeah they do, which may be your point.
Before I start rambling even more I'll simply say Seal has made many good points and isn't trying to be a downer on gay marriage. Just be understanding guys c'mon.
^ I do agree that being a douche is wrong no matter what side you're on. They just make everyone so much less likely to actually critically examine their opinions.
this is very interesting to me.......... it's hard for me to take a stance
although i am 100% for gay rights and gay marriage, HOWEVER, i am not very religious so the religion factor doesn't really come into play for me
but i DO see how religious groups would be against calling the union of a gay couple a "marriage"
but i DON'T see how people are in favor of stripping gay couples of hundreds of rights than same sex couples have.
if people don't want to call it marriage due to religious reasons, FINE, but i DO think it's ignorant of people to take rights away from people just because they are gay
not believing in gay MARRIAGE (key word) is not ignorant in my mind, it's an opinion
but not treating gay couples as the equals of hetero couples and denying them certain rights IS ignorant
I totally agree with Becca lemonface
I'm also for Gay Rights, but Marriage is a no no, because it's a biblical term!
And also I do believe same sex couples should be able to have the same rights as hetero couples
I just think rather than calling it marriage, make a different ceremony.. Because people value marriage, for century upon century marriage has been between a man or a woman, and now people think they can change it? That's what annoys me.
Sent by Lynette,Jul 9, 2013
if you aren't being traded by your parents for 3 cows so that you can be owned by a man than the definition of marriage has already been changed
If marriage is a no-no, then what about couples who don't get married in a Christian church, or couple who include one or two non-Christian members? What about the marriages that take place in non-Christian societies? What about the fact that marriage itself is older than recorded history?
Also, marriage itself is a right. It is not just a name. It is a right.
zimdelinvasor
Sorry for me messing up my words, but Marriage is a biblical term in all religions. Even Islam and Judaism, and I also the wedding ceremony is usually a priest reading the marriage ceremony from the bible
lemonface all that matters is that the government recognizes the term marriage. I don't think people care too much what the churches think unless they belong to said religion. karmaarrived not a biblical term. Marriages predate modern religion jag0827 opinions like yours rarely surprise me these days. In a time where civil rights is on the up rise, while everyone else is starting to realize that passive prejudice and underlying tensions have only been swept under the rug... this idea that we should blame the victims, accuse them of reverse bigotry, and ignore the privileges that non-minorities have.
Know this Jag. You have a right to an opinion. Everyone does. But everyone is JUST as right to call you out on it. Ever hear that saying opinions are like assholes? Well if you want to air your opinion, then you better be willing to handle the backlash. Don't talk trash and then tell people to calm their tits. That's rude. If we don't call people out on their opinions, then misconceptions are formed, and that helps no one.
Do I agree that it's wrong to threaten people against gay marriage? yes. Everyone is a human being.
But the point is that no one has yet to provide a good reason WHY they shouldn't support it, or at the very least turn a blind eye to it.
Thinking gay people shouldn't marry may not be hatred, but it is "condoning" of gender norms and the continuing of what place gay couples and people of LGBT status have in society. Until it is equal, they will be viewed as lesser and that's not good. That's like saying you believe races should be segregated, but that you're not racist.
Racism, homophobia, sexism... it doesn't have to be aggressive and active. You can be passively prejudiced, or even well meaningly prejudiced.
It's time to stop blaming the underdogs and downtrodden as the "narrow minded" ones. If you want to throw around that term, you might want to do more research.
lemonsalsa, all i'm saying is why not compromise it somehow, give gays the ceremony they want (even if it's extremely similar to a traditional marriage), have it be recognized by the government and get the rights that straight couples have
i think it's ridiculous that people argue over the word "marriage", i don't care if it's called marriage or not, as long as the rights are there, but if it isn't called a "marriage" straight out, since the religious people think they own the term, they can shut up about it, and everyones happy! lol
lemonface Religious people are not entitled to possessing words. Separate is never equal. Also, there exists no such ceremony that provides equal rights to marriage while not being marriage (at least not in the US). Also, marriage itself, with that name, is a right.
Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, I think people who hold that stance are completely ignorant. But I respect their right to hold that belief, and even express that belief.
And name-calling certainly won't help their stance on the issue lol. Fight hate with love. < 3
Opinions are great, they're what make the world go round. People can have their opinions on global warming, the economy and all that fun stuff, but if people think they should have ANY say on whether I can enjoy the same rights as everyone else can, that's where the line is drawn and I don't think that it's wrong to think ill of people who don't agree that all humans should enjoy the same rights.
lemonface I think it should be called a marriage because for our entire young lives in the western world, we're told we have to get married to be happy
Opinions are great, they're what make the world go round. People can have their opinions on global warming, the economy and all that fun stuff, but if people think they should have ANY say on whether I can enjoy the same rights as everyone else can, that's where the line is drawn and I don't think that it's wrong to think ill of people who don't agree that all humans should enjoy the same rights.
Sent by bigupboy,Jul 9, 2013
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this is the condensed version of what i said in my blog
