I don’t like to jump to conclusions; I’d rather gather adequate information before I make a swooping judgement.
Here’s my opinion. Jamie cleared things up; Faygo didn’t groom her or make her feel uncomfortable. So to a certain degree, some people should apologize for the drastic nature of their comments about him, calling him a pedophiiliac groomer and such.
HOWEVER, many of us, including myself, would lose our fucking jobs over shit like that. This year with my promotion/job change, I will be teaching students who are Jamie’s age at the time. I’ve yet to even reach 25, and I still can’t fathom talking to a minor in any way that would make me even perceivably culpable of grooming. The details we do have are objectively odd and imo immoral. There are lines that we must draw as adults not only to protect the minor, but also ourselves. Ultimately, faygo put himself in this position. There are things you simply don’t do and you don’t say because of the image it would give you despite your intentions. It was irresponsable as hell.
I get that times change and people are more vigilant of these things nowadays. But no matter what, I can’t stomach the situation personally just from my perspective. What’s in the past is in the past, luckily it wasn’t what it seemed; I’m sure he’s grown up and understands the errors of his transgressions, but this is hella serious territory he dipped his toes into and the concern was warranted.
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I largely agree with this - I obviously would lose my job too.
Here’s where I am with it though - folks were saying, as fact, that Greg was grooming Jamie full stop. There was evidence of weirdness and inappropriate behavior, but that is not the same as grooming. Especially when the info was not coming from the alleged victim, it is our responsibility to gather more evidence before jumping to such a serious conclusion. Greg’s behavior brought us to the “let’s actually dig for more evidence” part, but some of us took it too far.
We would get fired because it’s a liability and it’s quite unprofessional. We wouldn’t, however, get arrested or fail background checks. As a website we should also react appropriately and, first and foremost, prioritize the victims’ well being first. That didn’t happen.
I do agree with your blog, but as long as it stayed on tengaged it really wouldn't "get you fired" many people who have been exposed as full on pedos still have employment i mean kingmac and his best friend have pretty good jobs and im sure emzthorne who literally ADMITTED TO RAPE is just fine too. the only person I know who has had their irl life affected is ginny. but from what i understand it had to happen or it would've kept going because she had so much power on this site. as many have shown and said a lot of us are so sensitive about this because of what we went through on this site and no one was there to protect us. so a lot of us want to be that for someone. Everyone who spoke out is happy it ended the way it did. none of us wanted jamie to feel how we felt back in the day. Having to look back and realizing what happened to you is pretty gross. anyways i wish people would stop thinking this is just "drama" this is a serious topic and deserves to be treated with respect. we should all be happy jamie is okay. It's just weird a lot more people seem to be happy people were proven wrong though as a "gotcha" moment. Good blog!
aronjx I don’t need to apologize for anything, I never called him anything of the sort! I’m giving my perspective that what he did was irresponsable at best and the details are objectively weird. I don’t know the dude so I’m not gonna say anything else besides what I can observe. Everything I said is true; I’d lose my job if it were me, the details raise eyebrows, and nothing worse happened so the swooping judgements people made were UNFAIR.
As I said, I refrain from making swooping judgements and that’s why I didn’t say anything before when I didn’t have enough details at my disposal. This judgement I believe is fair based on what we know to be 100% true.
maxiphone27 that’s one of two main points of this blog. People took it way too far without considering the amount of information they didn’t have available. It was like reacting to a picture that’s zoomed in too far to know what was going on.
That’s also my second point; things like this are enough to damage your life and he was irresponsable for a considerable period of time. There are boundaries and quite simply mine are more reserved than his were at the time. Perhaps it’s the times, and I’m not saying my opinion matters a whole bunch but I just cannot imagine doing those things if I were 25 and had a close friend who was 17 in 2013.
cutieamy I do think skepticism is totally warranted. We don’t have the facts of a situation that’s 10-year-old. I understand everyone who keeps to their vest on this one. I just can’t personally say he was for sure grooming her; I haven’t looked into it deeply enough & Jamie seems sure that wasn’t the case. Ima stick to what I know: the details are weird as hell & can be perceived as grooming, which for him AT BEST amounts to a lack of awareness and irresponsible decision-making. Hopefully he’s become more responsible in the last 10 years. I can give the benefit of the doubt while also being skeptical.
KrisStory My message was a response to the first two paragraphs cause my smart ass didnt read the whole thing before commenting. I didnt mean you had to apologize, but it was more of a criticism towards the ones who just said horrible shit and difamated the guy's character just cause. The details are weird ok, but to me, it's infuriating how people just stick with society's simplistic perspectives about things and dont bother to STOP for a moment and think "maybe things don't always have to be that way, maybe these two people that seem to have a weird relationship according to society's standards have a sane relationship that isnt being damaging in any way to any of the parts, and maybe I should meditate a bit how I approach this". And instead, just throw ugly, disgusting judgements towards people, when the appropiate thing to do would be, in my opinion, to oneself be careful and aware with the information given, to also make others aware and to investigate if possible. But not to be NAMING others as this and that just cause the usual thing happening in situations similar to this one is something next to abuse, grooming, etc. For me, it's just plain ignorance and absolutely exceeds faygo 's irresponsability, if you wanna call it that way. Just cause the details are strange, not everything has to be. Because we dont know the whole situation. If you were to lose your job because of something like this, well, this may be too personal of an opinion but for me the society is sick and doesnt know at all to distinguish good from evil, so yeah, you could lose it all for doing something inappropiate in their eyes which on another hand didnt have any ill will in itself, nor any negative effects on the other person. And im aware i might be twisting this a lot, which is because watching people talking about stuff and critisizing shit they don't know about, gets me on my nerves. So to me, he did not do anything wrong SPECIALLY taking into consideration what jamie19 said in her blog. She is the person people wanted to paint as the victim, and unlike what happens most of the time, the supposed groomer was not grooming anybody, so maybe apologize and stop finding excuses for having acted as a warrior of justice when in the end what you did instead was more harm than good.
aronjx I agree with what you’re saying. I don’t think he was grooming her based on what Jamie said. Nonetheless, in giving him the benefit of the doubt, his actions were bottom line irresponsible. The way you prefer to approach things is how I am; I can’t comment on what I don’t have a full picture on. I commented based on what I did know & refrained from making statements that were based on information I didn’t have. In other words, I refrained from making any assumptions. There’s no doubt a lot of people make comments that yield strength out of proportion with what they actually know, basing their views on assumptions.
There are lines that we must draw as adults not only to protect the minor, but also ourselves. Ultimately, faygo put himself in this position. There are things you simply don’t do and you don’t say because of the image it would give you despite your intentions. It was irresponsable as hell.
